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Shop Talk - Episode 001: David Bessis

Author of Mathematica - A Secret World of Intuition and Curiosity

Show Notes

In this wide-ranging conversation, David Bessis, mathematician and author of Mathematica - A Secret World of Intuition and Curiosity, discusses the nature of mathematical thinking, creativity, and learning. Bessis shares personal insights about his journey from pure mathematics to writing for a general audience, explaining how it took him 20 years to properly articulate his ideas about mathematics and cognition. He offers fascinating perspectives on the connection between religious mysticism and mathematical discovery, arguing that what mathematicians historically attributed to divine inspiration might be better understood through the lens of modern neuroscience. The discussion covers practical advice for parents wanting to nurture mathematical thinking in their children, including gamifying concepts through everyday activities like elevator rides and spatial awareness games. Bessis also shares his thoughts on artificial intelligence, his writing practice, and how he uses tools like Claude as a "Greek chorus" to provide feedback on his work. Throughout the conversation, Bessis emphasizes that mathematics is less about innate talent but rather a skill that can be developed through proper training and understanding.

Chapters

00:00 Morning Routines and Musical Influences

02:12 The Nature vs. Nurture Debate

05:09 Writing Retreats and New Projects

08:10 Mathematics: Talent vs. Training

11:07 The Journey of Mathematical Understanding

14:01 Personal Experiences with Mathematics

16:49 The Role of Social Media in Writing

19:21 Influences of Taleb and Other Thinkers

22:14 Descartes and Misinterpretations

24:27 The Intersection of Mathematics and Spirituality

37:07 The Dual Influences of Mysticism and Mathematics

41:45 Conceptualism and the Game of Truth

49:19 The Nature of Reasoning and Reality

56:24 Intuition vs. Language Models

59:25 Dream Journaling and the Art of Expression

01:06:13 The Interplay of Geometry and Algebra

01:11:34 Psychological Barriers in Mathematics

01:16:17 The Disturbing Clarity of Mathematical Truths

01:20:29 Fostering Mathematical Curiosity in Children

01:24:41 Practical Approaches to Adult Mathematical Learning

01:28:01 The Art of Writing and Clarity

01:39:45 The Future of Writing and Communication

Links

Glenn Gould’s Goldberg Variations

Kraftwerk - Transeuropean Express

Quanta Article: Mathematical Thinking Isn’t What You Think It Is

We’ve been wrong about math for 2300 years

A Visual Companion to the audio edition of Mathematica

Nassim Taleb’s Incerto

Complete Essay’s of Montaigne

Rene Descarte’s Discourse on Method

Descartes' Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain

Donald D. Hoffman

Donald D. Hoffman on the Tim Ferris Show

A Million Dots

Three Blue One Brown

Leadership Lab: The Craft of Writing Effectively

Anthropic Claude LLM

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